Progression Of Man Of The Material Planes
Excerpt From Class Transcript
Date: February 22, 1990
KEN: I am concerned about the over population of the Earth.
SPIRIT: The earth is not overpopulated.
KEN: Well the population level, isn't it kind of . . . Dominating . . . destroying the animal life forms and vegetation . . . beyond a certain point . . . that is not acceptable?
(Spirit was shaking my head no all the time he was talking.)
SPIRIT: Not really. You have the same amount of people now in your earth plane that you have always had. The people are using the land incorrectly. It's not the numbers of the people, it's the use of the land that is being abused.
You know, evolution has to happen, and technology has to happen, but you people use your technology in the wrong direction, in wrong ways. You have allowed technology to override the respect of the land.
BOB: If I hear you correctly, we have as many people on the earth as physical beings as we have always had?
SPIRIT: That is correct.
BOB: That wouldn't go with what I have read and heard about the number of people. The so-called body count of the people in this country and other countries, and they estimate so many people in the world at a certain point in history and they seem to differ a grate deal.
SPIRIT: Well of course that information differs. Who took their census? What about all the Africans, and all the Australians, and all the people in Brazil who live in the outback in the so-called uncivilized world. Who counted them?
BOB: Beats me.
SPIRIT: So there has always been the same amount of people. Give or take a couple of hundred thousand.
BOB: There are three and a half billion people on earth today and there were that many 5,000 years ago?
SPIRIT: That is correct. Exactly right.
BOB: I don't know if I want to believe that.
SPIRIT: You can believe or disbelieve that information, as you wish, that does not change the facts. What do you think the Vikings found when they came to America?
BOB: Probably Indians I suppose.
SPIRIT: And do you know how many Indians lived in this country?
BOB: No, I don't.
SPIRIT: There where well over 650 million, that man knows about, there are many more that were never counted.
BOB: I find that very difficult to believe that we are the same number of people on the earth. We live longer, at least that is what they say.
SPIRIT: Hum, check history. That is poppycock too.
BOB: They haven't had the longevity in the past.
SPIRIT: Oh, baloney.
SPIRIT: How old do you thin that George Washington was when he died?
BOB: I really don't know.
KEN: He was 68 or something like that.
SPIRIT: He was close to 90.
COLLEEN: I got 90.
SPIRIT: And Benjamin Franklin.
BOB: Oh, I didn't say the people didn't live long . . .
SPIRIT: Check your history. You will be amazed at the longevity of past man. Beyond that, much of your history is not accurate. You can't believe everything you read, it's not all accurate.
BOB: I'm sure that is not all . . .
SPIRIT: We are not trying to argue with you, we are trying to explain that you only have your material resources to go by, and your material resources are not always accurate. They are just not always accurate.
As material man of the earth plane evolve, you tend to keep more records. You get to be better record keepers, that is part of the evolution, but to what end are you keeping all those records. Do you understand what we are trying to tell you?
SPIRIT: And in the process of mind bogging nothings of keeping your records, you have lost respect for your earth, you have lost respect for your ecology, for so much that is so important. So now you think that know how many people live in the earth. Big deal, so you think you know something that you never knew before. But, from an ecology stand point, how well do you live? What is more important taking care of the Earth, or knowing how many people live here?
BOB: Taking care of the Earth.
SPIRIT: That is what we think. That is the way . . .
BOB: That doesn't mean that knowing the numbers is wrong either.
SPIRIT: No, it doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean that at all. What we exactly mean to say is; what difference does it make, or what good does it do to try to know how many people that live in the Earth, something that you have never had an accurate accounting of anyway, and probably never will, when you are all abusing your planet?
SPIRIT: Can't answer that, can you?
BOB: Well, I'm thinking of, the different thought process are going on here . . .
SPIRIT: There is nothing to think about, because it will be if you abuse your planet enough, nobody will be able to live here.
BOB: I think it would be less harmful to the earth with one billion people living in it than four or five billion if they were all doing the same kinds of things.
SPIRIT: Oh, no, no, no, you don't understand. The earth itself is a life giver, she is a mother, She is your mother, you are made of the dust of her ground. She nurtures her people, she nurtures everything, she nurtures you, and . . .
BOB: Can we not destroy her if we wanted to?
SPIRIT: Can you not destroy her? You are destroying her! She cries always, please take care of me, I'm dying. Do you listen?
Do you hear her cry?
BOB: Not in one way, but I do in another, I agree with ecology, and not destroying what we have got here. It is what is going to keep us alive.
SPIRIT: You still do not understand. She is your life, she is what gives you life, not what keeps you alive. You do not live on her, you live within her, nestled within her womb, drawing your life energy and support from her. Without her, you cannot exist.
KEN: Is she going to take steps to rectify the situation?
SPIRIT: Is mother Earth going to take steps . . . She tries always, but there are too many abuses and there are not enough people who listen.
JO-ANN: It is up to us to teach our children, it is up to us to change. We are the only ones who can save mother earth.
KEN: I was thinking more in terms of drastic earth changes.
SPIRIT: There are drastic earth changes going on, those are natural propensities, the shift of the axis and things of that nature. It is not a natural propensity to destroy your rain forests, to create acid rain, smog and air pollution, what is natural about that? To throw sewerage into your water ways, what is natural about that? To clog up your oceans with plastics and all kinds of things, what is natural about that?
The shifting of the axis is what you think a dramatic change, but it is not at all. Your oceans act as preservatives of that land, of that land mass. Every time the earth changes you have new fresh clean land. You are polluting your oceans, so how new, and fresh and clean is that land going to be?
BOB: We haven't done a very good job.
SPIRIT: No, you haven't. We agree with you, that doesn't help the problem though. The time has come to be aware, and for everybody to do their part. That is a whole other lecture. We have time for another question.
BOB: Will we do it, will we take care of the earth, or will we destroy it?
SPIRIT: We cannot answer that, that is up to you.
September 28, 1990. It has been discovered that the census taken this year is inaccurate. Whole neighborhoods in key cities of the U.S. were never counted. Other communities counted as many as five times. Some neighborhoods every third household were counted, and at that they were counted twice. So perhaps we are not as good record keepers as Spirit tried to indicate.